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yeah cas, they fit true to size. at that price it felt like gambling, but sometimes you have to gamble, and i tell you it was worth it. what's interesting about them is that the visible metal piece ties about 2 inches below the top of the pant. so basically if you dont wear a belt the pant slowly falls down your waist. so you are forced to wear a belt, and heres the ingenious part, there's only one belt leather loop in the back of the pant and you put the belt through that and tighten it and ma has designed the perfect amount of space for the belt so it holds the pants up w only one loop. so rad.
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hahaaa, I remember you saying this and it's true. Gotta be one genius marketing method: Pants that NEED a MA+ belt!</P>
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