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CBL

Any one here try Carb Back Loading before?

[t-bone]

I did it for much of last year. I had decent results maintaining body comp but found it hard to add weight (and "add weight") and I've really been able to push my training much harder and see better gains in the last 3-4 months by spreading my carb intake throughout the day.

I'll still do the occasional low carb morning or full day on rest days.

I think it works best for someone that already has some extra bodyfat that they want to cut while not losing any strength.

[eat me]

hm.

Ok, first of all thanks for your response, even though I agree the internet fights are stupid. Having said that, they're no more stupid than irl fights.

So I won't consider this a fight .

I do get how that confusion could happen. But, let's be honest, I didn't say or imply anything about aesthetics. I did, however, very specifically, clearly, and repeatedly, talk about my health.

Your post did talk about health, stability and strength. You ended it with "how can I get my body fat percentage up?" though, which has nothing to do with any of the above.

I pointed it out, albeit in a blunt manner, I concur. You failed to admit that it's probably not what you meant when listed your goals, and sure, at the same time you could've mentioned that my comment wasn't very nice, if one takes such things to heart.

Instead, you chose to ignore everything I've said and decided to make a silly passive-aggresive comment, because "HE'S A MEN - MUST BE SEXIST PIG".

Let's be clear about something - I would've said the exact same thing if you were a guy too. Why would a guy with a bf of 13% choose to cover his abs with flab? Other than a few specific cases - no idea.

But you chose to assume that I must be sexualising your body, I must be objectifying you, so you must get some clever response there to reveal my "true male nature".

Let's be clear about something else - below 20% for a woman is in no way extreme, but it's very fit, and from numerous girls I've seen, and the one I live with, nothing in, say, 17-22% range is detrimental to regular woman's health. In fact, it's commendable to maintain such good shape.

On another note, two people with the same fat % can still look and feel different, depends on how much muscle they have and their height. But in any case many people here are of the opinion that below 20% for a woman is some sort of weakened dangerous state - it's not.

When you're below 14%, and not an athlete - then it's worrying. If you're below 10%, then it's dangerous. At least that's the official advice, and from what I've seen I don't disagree.

Also, I hope you're not measuring your bf by formula, as it's not terribly accurate, and you might be off on what % you think you are. Not saying that's what you do, mind you.

Now that the boring stuff is out of the way:

The goal was to build muscle, but if I dropped any fat (which would be the typical outcome of increased exercise with no other change)

Not really. In order to grow you'd have to up your intake, and unless you're on very lean supplements, which it doesn't sound like you are, you'd up you fat intake as well. So the chances of you going into the dangerous territory would be slim. But not impossible, sure.

I'd need to increase either the volume or the efficacy of my fat consumption. I wanted advice on how to do that.

It actually is as simple as you'd think. There's nothing simpler than upping your fat %. Just eat more fatty foods, and replace current foods with fattier foods. That's basically it. If it's the fat you want - nothing can be simpler than that. What you said you're eating is great, and sounds very healthy. Fatten it up a bit - eat some fatty food regularly instead/on top of your normal food. Pizza, pork, lamb, salami, coconuts, avocado, fried chicken, chicken thighs, pastries, mayo, pasta etc. Once you get to the level of desired bf %, ease down on the fatty diet and providing you won't drop exercising throughout the "fattening" period, you'll get where you want to get.

you responded to an imaginary, cosmo-mag swilling stereotype that wants to tone up but, like, doesn't want to look like a man and is really scared of losing her tits.

Only in your imagination I'm afraid. Some women don't want to be muscly, some women want to be able to lift heavy, some women don't want to be fat, some women want to run a a marathon, some women want to run a sprint, some women prefer to have a fuller figure. I never understood this desire by some women to paint other women's choices as inferior, or shallow. It's not exclusive to women though. Some men want to have biceps the size of their head, some want to have a frail androgynous appearance, some want to fit in CCP as intended, some want to fit in Rick as intended. Having a goal for your body, that you've decided you want, and working towards it - nothing wrong with that (bar a handful of examples). Isn't choice supposed to be good?

instead of helping me with that, you just jumped in and said my goal was wrong, and started telling me what you thought I should do instead

In this you are right, that I've said your goal was wrong. If you go back to my post though, I did not tell you what to do. Just asked to clarify your goal as it did not seem the way to strength and stability.

Even if my goal had been to just grow a big ol' slab of flab on my belly, what so wrong with that?

Nothing. Unless it's dangerously big . But your goal was strength, health, and stability - so that's why I said what I've said.

I now see that you were more worried that increase in excersie is going to "dry" you out into dangerous territory - that seems to be the concern, however it only came across after your further posts. Initially there was nothing wrong with either your bf %, nor your eating habits.

"ARE YOU A GIRL? YES? THEN DON'T GET FAT"

Only in your head, again. Because surely, me being a man, what else can I think with my one-dimensional men's brain, right?

The reason for my asking was to determine how to consider your "below 20" in terms of health (as for a man below 20 is really quite average not something one should worry about), and also to see what things to recommend in the future.

I was running on a BMI of 15.3

BMI is actually not a great health indicator for athletic people. You'll be better off judging how you feel by yourself. That's not to say it's useless. Just don't take it too seriously.

And you didn't, and you still thought you should tell me what to do.

Again, I did not.

or had knowledge to back up your advice

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And I promise you I get that you were not trying to be an asshole

To be honest, it doesn't look like it. It looks like you misinterpreted what I've said, took offence to it, and decided to reveal my sexist "doesn't know what he's talking about" nature. I'll just write it off because internetz.

I am only writing out this whole long thing so maybe you can question why it made sense to you to react the way you did and what that means about life and how we interact with other humans.

I hope you take your own advice too.

And I'm going to give up on trying to make this less rambly and ranty

No need, the world is already PC enough. I actually do appreciate you taking time for that little rant, believe me I've spent enough time on the internet (and in such corners of it) for this not to bother me or get under my skin. We can all state our opinions, and discuss them, and that's great.

I hope the above long and somewhat needless post will clear things up. Life is such on the internet that things will easily get misunderstood and wrong perceptions will easily be followed up.

However this post might sound, I hope you will achieve what you're looking for. More lasagne !

PS - in terms of supplements, try this. I am currently using it myself (and my fitness story is far from simple as well ) and I found it helps to maintain/put some good weight on. Bare in mind however that it's very low on fat, but great to replenish energy and build muscle. There are gainers that have more fat content, so if your metabolism is fantastic, and it looks like it is, you might try fattier ones.

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[lionlimb]

Some women don't want to be muscly, some women want to be able to lift heavy, some women don't want to be fat, some women want to run a a marathon, some women want to run a sprint, some women prefer to have a fuller figure... Some men want to have biceps the size of their head, some want to have a frail androgynous appearance, some want to fit in CCP as intended, some want to fit in Rick as intended. Having a goal for your body, that you've decided you want, and working towards it - nothing wrong with that (bar a handful of examples). Isn't choice supposed to be good?

Hey, if this is your perspective then we are golden aces all good party time excellent etc.

I thought you were basically coming from the opposite perspective (THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING WITH YOUR BODY), and that's what I was responding to. I still agree with what I said (had you been saying what I thought you were saying), but with your response it's kind of obvious you get all of that already and didn't really need it all snarktyped out for you. I get what you thought I was saying, and hopefully you get what I thought you were saying!

A few thoughts:

But you chose to assume that I must be sexualising your body, I must be objectifying you, so you must get some clever response there to reveal my "true male nature".

Nopenopenope.
I volunteer with teenage girls. The other day, Brittney Griner came up. They were all horrified that "She looks like a man! She's not pretty at all". I countered "She's on the WNBA! She's super successful, amazing at what she does, making great money! The fact that she's tall and muscley is what makes her good at bbal!"
I asked them "Which would you pick, to be super successful and excellent at something you love doing, or skinny and pretty?"
They didn't hesitate. They also didn't choose the successful / excellent option.
I think our gut reaction is to value appearance over function in female bodies. All of us do it, females included. So when you asked my gender, then gave an aesthetic response (which I didn't think I had done anything to invite) my frustration was more with UGH LIFE EVERYTHING, not like OH LOOK THIS ASSHOLE IS OBJECTIFYING ME. I mean, I don't think that the 15 year old girls that I hang out with every week are sexist assholes. But they still fall prey to certain assumptions because they are everywhere. I was pissed at SOCIETY, man, not you. And yeah, because of the disconnect between BFP and stability you figured I had to be coming from an aesthetic perspective because wtf else is there and meanwhile I'm chillin' over here like "sup I'm almost 6 feet tall and literally 110 pounds right now eating a butter-cheese sandwich because I am just that extreme ecto and also being a mega hardgainer and sick literally all the time is a bad combo" but that's all context shit and we didn't know and then SO MANY WORDS but hey maybe we get better at human stuff and it's all worth it in the end.

And then RE: the "He's a man, must be a sexist pig" thing.
I REALLY don't think that dudes are the problem or the enemy or the enforcers of the patriarchy or anything. I think there are fucked up ideas swirling around and they are bad for all of us, and if anything we're all allies in the attempt to get past all the bullshit. Anything that screws me over screws you over too. I don't have low expectations or inherent distrust of men. If anything, I tend to have really high expectations, because my family, my roommates for the last year, the guys I've been tight with for ten years now, they're all just incredibly smart, insightful, perceptive people and one conversation with any of the dudes I know blows that whole stereotype out of the water. That's why my gut reaction is to call out anything that feels fishy, because I assume that it'll be a good conversation and one or both of us will learn something. If I just thought you were stupid or closed minded, then why bother?

Anything else I could address probably wouldn't be worth the wall of text. If you think I'm copping out on anything, call me on it and I'll give you an answer.

Thanks for the supplement rec! I can use all the help I can get, obvs.

[stagename]

""Which would you pick, to be super successful and excellent at something you love doing, or skinny and pretty?"

Depending on your life goals, they might be unto something. It has been argued that, in terms of how men see women, there is no amount of money that will compensate for a BMI of 19.

Yay for society.

[bukka]

Finally got the confirmation today, I'm running the 2014 Berlin Marathon in the red cross team
Anyone from SZ running it? I agreed with myself that I deserve smth if I finish it -> Darklands is at the end of the 42.195.km

[DRRRK]

Chances are better meeting someone on the way home from Berghain.
If you would content yourself with half the distance I'd be up for it.

[MoFiya]

Finally got the confirmation today, I'm running the 2014 Berlin Marathon in the red cross team
Anyone from SZ running it? I agreed with myself that I deserve smth if I finish it -> Darklands is at the end of the 42.195.km

Personally, I'ld prefer a nice bolognese afterwards.

[bukka]

Chances are better meeting someone on the way home from Berghain.
If you would content yourself with half the distance I'd be up for it.

Com'on! You stile have you still have 6 months to train

Personally, I'ld prefer a nice bolognese afterwards.

CURRYWURST!

[Fuuma]

""Which would you pick, to be super successful and excellent at something you love doing, or skinny and pretty?"

Depending on your life goals, they might be unto something. It has been argued that, in terms of how men see women, there is no amount of money that will compensate for a BMI of 19.

Yay for society.

Total aside but do you seriously think there is something inherently more virtuous in being attracted to someone for their money or the even more amorphous notion of success?

[returningson]

Total aside but do you seriously think there is something inherently more virtuous in being attracted to someone for their money or the even more amorphous notion of success?

not looking skinny/attractive so much as being healthy. Coming from a family with a history of obesity, heart disease, diabetes and more (yes, the typical full bloodied backwoods American family), Ill pick health over wealth/success anyday.

[stagename]

Total aside but do you seriously think there is something inherently more virtuous in being attracted to someone for their money or the even more amorphous notion of success?

Worst as probably more of a calculated attraction?

[malevich]

not looking skinny/attractive so much as being healthy. Coming from a family with a history of obesity, heart disease, diabetes and more (yes, the typical full bloodied backwoods American family), Ill pick health over wealth/success anyday.

You know it is always much better to be healthy and wealthy, than poor and sick

[returningson]

You know it is always much better to be healthy and wealthy, than poor and sick

well, if I could have the cake and eat it too!

[ambrosian]

I just signed up for an adult ballet class... Has anyone done this before? I'm kind of scared