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  • stagename
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 497

    Thanks Gucci.

    I can find the (academic) article if there's interest but a have one or two papers that look at different diets (meat heavy; vegetarian; Mediterranean; meat-light) on longeivty and disease and turns out mediterranean and meat-light (like red meat once or twice a week) were the ones with the best results. They were published in good academic journals from what I remember. That kind of settled the subject of how I should eat for me, that being said I'm with James, ymmv, and you should tailor to your needs.

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    • GucciAmen
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2014
      • 362

      Yes, that does make sense, as I recall reading an article of a similar nature -- specifically showing evidence that in regards to longevity, diets high in nutrients (going to assume micronutrients) and low in calories are optimal (which is definitely what light meat is going to aid in, and probably a key reason for its being selected). I've just about kept red meats out of my diet (excluding situations like family gatherings and the like) for this reason and also because its highly unsustainable to have red meat more than once a week due to how detrimental it is to our environment (amount of food required to raise cattle/land to enclose them (primary contributing factor to deforestation in south america).



      ^This is a good test to see what "nutritional-type" you may belong to (Dr. Mercola can be overzealous but does have some good content, and this online test is a testament to that).

      I should have clarified that I do believe that diet is an individualistic thing -- by no means "one size fits all", like with exercise, etc... I was more so getting at the fallacious claims that macronutrient trend diets are based on (while also stating that a balance of all three macronutrients is preferable to a dramatic consumption of one or two at the cost of the third, like ketosis).

      Originally posted by stagename View Post
      Thanks Gucci.

      I can find the (academic) article if there's interest but a have one or two papers that look at different diets (meat heavy; vegetarian; Mediterranean; meat-light) on longeivty and disease and turns out mediterranean and meat-light (like red meat once or twice a week) were the ones with the best results. They were published in good academic journals from what I remember. That kind of settled the subject of how I should eat for me, that being said I'm with James, ymmv, and you should tailor to your needs.

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      • galia
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2009
        • 1702

        I completely agree with that! Which is why I think it's a great idea to get tested for food sensitivities, when battling chronic discomfort, like being overweight, or in my case constant headaches, or indeed sore joints, stomach cramps, skin conditions etc.

        Many of these can be deamatically helped by slight adjustments in your diet, it's quite incredible.

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        • Shadowvault
          Member
          • Oct 2014
          • 81

          I am 52kg 174cm.And...i hate myself.I am trying to gain weight but its near impossible.I eat a lot but diet its expensive.I try to exersise as much as i can.The problem is that i battle with stress disorder plus insomnia and i get extremely anxious when my heart starts beating faster.If i take the stairs i feel like i am gonna have a heart attack.Any ideas? :P

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          • t-bone
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 438

            For the weight gain, peanut butter (sorry if you are euro and this offends you!) and whole milk, as much of each as you can get down every day. plus add extra virgin olive oil or grass fed butter to your meals wherever you can... on salads, veggies, meat, rice, bread, anything.

            For the anxiety, sorry I can't help too much here, but have you looked into mindful meditation or focused breathing techniques?

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            • Shadowvault
              Member
              • Oct 2014
              • 81

              My goal is to get 64kg 8% fat
              I eat mostly meat with 0% fat (because i hate the feel)
              Rice,pasta,nuts and some greens but not that much

              For the anxiety part ive tried everything. I am on Effexor XR and Clonotril now (user seropram,cipralex,xanax,lexotanil,frizium,seroquel ,stilnox and even inderal and concord for the heart but nothing seems to work)

              The problem is that for muscle gain i have to train.In order to train my pulse has to rise which is logical.Then i get the fricked out.Its a cycle.

              But hey if someone is looking for anorexic zombie model here i am hah

              P.S. i am not anorexic i just cant gain.Ive never tried peanutbutter but i think ill add it on the menu

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              • lowrey
                ventiundici
                • Dec 2006
                • 8383

                Usually when someone can't gain weight, they are eating too little, too infrequently or not enough calories / wrong contents. Or a combination of those. You most likely don't need to stuff yourself sick unless you have a medical condition, unearthly metabolism or spend a ton of energy during the day.

                The most common "mistake" is eating a proper amount only once or twice a day and otherwise very little. For example eating a very light breakfast and lunch and only stuffing yourself for dinner. Eat a good sized meal 4-5 times a day plus snacks and it shouldn't be difficult to get enough calories. And it can and should still be healthy, good fats etc. Look up some diets for weight gaining to get ideas. Also try counting calories for a while, ot broadens your perspective.

                Otherwise, very difficult to comment on your conditions without knowing more and proper expertise. I assume you've seen various specialists given the medication history..?
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                • Shadowvault
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 81

                  Originally posted by lowrey View Post
                  Usually when someone can't gain weight, they are eating too little, too infrequently or not enough calories / wrong contents. Or a combination of those. You most likely don't need to stuff yourself sick unless you have a medical condition, unearthly metabolism or spend a ton of energy during the day.

                  The most common "mistake" is eating a proper amount only once or twice a day and otherwise very little. For example eating a very light breakfast and lunch and only stuffing yourself for dinner. Eat a good sized meal 4-5 times a day plus snacks and it shouldn't be difficult to get enough calories. And it can and should still be healthy, good fats etc. Look up some diets for weight gaining to get ideas. Also try counting calories for a while, ot broadens your perspective.

                  Otherwise, very difficult to comment on your conditions without knowing more and proper expertise. I assume you've seen various specialists given the medication history..?
                  Now ive started eating snaks between meals.I have to eat every hour.Something little,it doesne matter what.Just eat and stay in the plan.Maybe i should start a vlog for hardgainers like me.I dont think anything like this exists on youtube.What do you think?

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                  • Arkady
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 953

                    You need to be doing strength training with higher weight. High weight / low rep to stimulate muscle growth. When you take your protein shake after working out, add one serving of carbo-gain. The issue is you're probably not getting enough carbohydrates in your system and your ectomorphic metabolism is burning them away before it can apply them to building more tissue. Carbs are as important to recovery as protein especially for guys built like us. There is a program I know some people have had great success with that you could try out: http://bonytobeastly.com/the-program/

                    For the anxiety and heart rate I recommend Ashwaghanda and L-Theanine daily and perhaps double the L-Theanine dose on workout days -- while they may not reduce your pulse rate they'll cut your anxiety drastically. SAM-e may be extremely helpful as well both in mitigating general anxiety and specific anxiety when your pulse rate rises.

                    I'm of the opinion (from both firsthand and secondhand observation) that SSRIs and barbiturates can antagonize anxiety disorders just as much as they can quell them. Particularly barbiturates may act as a tranquilizer but the aggression they cause seems to exacerbate anxiety disorders for many people. That doesn't mean you should be jumping off your SSRIs if they're stabilizing you otherwise, but you may need to get an herbal/amino acid stack going to counteract some of the effects. Serotonin reuptake and whatever the fuck the z drugs are accessing (we don't quite know) are complicated systems with no A-->B paths of effect, as I'm sure you're aware.

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                    • Shadowvault
                      Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 81

                      Originally posted by Arkady View Post
                      You need to be doing strength training with higher weight. High weight / low rep to stimulate muscle growth. When you take your protein shake after working out, add one serving of carbo-gain. The issue is you're probably not getting enough carbohydrates in your system and your ectomorphic metabolism is burning them away before it can apply them to building more tissue. Carbs are as important to recovery as protein especially for guys built like us. There is a program I know some people have had great success with that you could try out: http://bonytobeastly.com/the-program/

                      For the anxiety and heart rate I recommend Ashwaghanda and L-Theanine daily and perhaps double the L-Theanine dose on workout days -- while they may not reduce your pulse rate they'll cut your anxiety drastically. SAM-e may be extremely helpful as well both in mitigating general anxiety and specific anxiety when your pulse rate rises.

                      I'm of the opinion (from both firsthand and secondhand observation) that SSRIs and barbiturates can antagonize anxiety disorders just as much as they can quell them. Particularly barbiturates may act as a tranquilizer but the aggression they cause seems to exacerbate anxiety disorders for many people. That doesn't mean you should be jumping off your SSRIs if they're stabilizing you otherwise, but you may need to get an herbal/amino acid stack going to counteract some of the effects. Serotonin reuptake and whatever the fuck the z drugs are accessing (we don't quite know) are complicated systems with no A-->B paths of effect, as I'm sure you're aware.
                      Thank you for those answers.They seem really helpful.Yea i know about z drugs and stuff.Believe me i study those stuff all the time trying to find me own cure (bad thing i know).SSRIs and Benzos dont seem to work anyways.I am on those for 3 years know and i havent seen any great effect.I am becoming more depressed i think rather than having a painted smile on my face (even though i dont take them for depression).
                      I am willing to try the stacks you've mentioned.I am not against herbal or lab drugs.I am against the people that say take the natural because its better that what the doctor prescribes.Like every natural thing on earth is good.They are chemicals too you know...AIDS is natural-you get my point.I said those stuff in general and i think i went a little bit out of topic.
                      If there is a scientific reason behind it then yes i can try it.I'll talk to my psychiatrist

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                      • Arkady
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 953

                        Absolutely give SAM-e a shot -- I'm manic depressive (or perhaps used to be) and have never taken SSRIs etc, but the SAM-e was an extremely pronounced positive effect and got me out of some bad shit in my time. I still will occasionally do a two week cycle if I feel a depressive episode coming out. It's naturally produced in your body when you break down ATP for energy.

                        I definitely get your point in regards to herbal supplements, I'm a big fan of science above any cultural touchpoints when it comes to what you put in your body. The issue is that some of these herbs have anecdotal effects reported for thousands of years but little resources devoted to researching them today. The three I'm recommending absolutely have some respectable studies backing them.

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                        • Faust
                          kitsch killer
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 37849

                          So, I am giving up on pushups. My upper body has become too bulky, some jackets are becoming too tight and I am not into the moobs look. Any advice on how to keep fit without bulking up? My body just works that way, I gain weight and muscle mass quickly and need to work hard to keep it off.
                          Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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                          • Dropt
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 405

                            Maybe track and lower your calorie intake? That way you'll just shed bodyfat without bulking much, and over time your appetite will adapt.

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                            • Faust
                              kitsch killer
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 37849

                              That's the next challenge. A big one.
                              Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months - Oscar Wilde

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                              • PIERRELEGRAND
                                Junior Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 22

                                Originally posted by Faust View Post
                                So, I am giving up on pushups. My upper body has become too bulky, some jackets are becoming too tight and I am not into the moobs look. Any advice on how to keep fit without bulking up? My body just works that way, I gain weight and muscle mass quickly and need to work hard to keep it off.
                                Have you ever tried rock climbing or yoga? Brooklyn Boulders in either Gowanus or LIC is great for climbing. Both activities work the full body and tend to lean and lengthen the muscles rather than bulking them up. Out of high school I was 250 pounds with an (american) football scholarship. I'm now 185/190 pounds and can practice both of these without my muscle memory instantly bulking me back up. Granted I didn't lose that weight over night and my diet has evolved accordingly. I have had the same experience as you when doing pushups or any sort of weight training and am not at all looking to go back to that body shape.

                                On another note, has anyone tried Intermittent Fasting?

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