WTF

[cjbreed]

I've built my world on a house of lies. Well, only one thing left to do now...

[zamb]

all good points zam. and i also think that whenever someone is feeling ungrateful, or rather, not feeling gratitude, that person could benefit from doing some service work. helping others.

but i also agree with this idea, that i think was originally voiced by hunter s thompson, that i take great comfort in knowing that i can kill myself whenever i want to.

just sayin'...its a comforting thought, isn't it?

indeed, but i think there are only very rare circumstances where one should want to kill themselves, and i could see this only if ones life is taken in sacrifice for others, where it isn't so much suicide but knowing that carrying out an act for the good of others would result in ones death...........which essentially is not suicide, but

I'm going to bed and will reply better tomorrow. Just a few quick answers.

They should not.

This is a faith based response. While it may be your belief that suicide is a sin, I would politely disagree.
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I made no statement about what my faith is so I dont know how you could come to that conclusion, you have no idea what my beliefs are.......
but the greater issue is, even if it is a faith based response what would be so wrong with that?
If as you say, a man has a right to kill himself (of which i disagree) then shouldnt a man have a right to decide upon what he is going to base his ethics?

a discussion about what is and isn't sin is a completely different matter that is unrelated to someone committing suicide. What we are fundamentally discussing is the unfortunate issue of suicide..............

[interest1]

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Martyrdom is overrated, Z.

all good points zam. and i also think that whenever someone is feeling ungrateful, or rather, not feeling gratitude, that person could benefit from doing some service work. helping others.

THIS.

Those who scoff at this universal law are often guilty of never having made the attempt.

A few Thanksgivings ago, stuck and unable to travel to be with loved ones (as I'd done virtually every single year of my life), I decided to spend it distributing meals at a homeless shelter in NYC. It wasn't even how humbling the experience that made it so powerful, but the opportunity to get outside of one's self, outside of what's going on in your own head – if only for a few hours – that created such a positive impact.

By doing good for others, we bring good into our own lives. It's win-win.

No crown of thorns required.
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[blackfedora]

i also think that whenever someone is feeling ungrateful, or rather, not feeling gratitude, that person could benefit from doing some service work. helping others.

From repeated personal observation, this in fact does prevent suicides and several others forms of less hasty fatalities. To reiterate interest1 from a slightly different perspective, by helping others, one is (temporarily) relieved of the burden of self.

[TheThief]

This is different from a converse how?

http://www.antonioli.eu/products/22766-rick-owens-drk-shdw-shoes?gen=men

I know the canvas sneaker has always been converse-like but at least the high top has zippers...I mean....come on...

[interest1]

From repeated personal observation, this in fact does prevent suicides and several others forms of less hasty fatalities. To reiterate interest1 from a slightly different perspective, by helping others, one is (temporarily) relieved of the burden of self.

It's more than that. By deviating from the norm of one's own behavior, you open doors to new opportunities that, had said deviation not taken place, would not have otherwise opened for you.

The story follows that later that same night, I accepted an invitation by an acquaintance to a dinner party full of people I didn't know. Strangers, on Thanksgiving. Sounded more depressing than fun, but I was in an up mood from volunteering earlier that day, so I went.

I can't begin to tell you how glad I am that I did. Fast forward 3 years and that "stranger" who was kind enough to let me crash her party is now a dear friend. I let her mine my closet when she styles an editorial shoot, and she lets me house-sit the best bulldog in the world when she leaves town. Oh, the love!

This wouldn't be a part of my life now had I sat home being acid, bitter, & sad. It was a door that opened on the heels of having gone outside myself and focusing on others, for a change. Service work / helping others, as cjbreed said. Then you add in the connections & friendships that've sprouted from that, and you start to appreciate the domino effect. You start to have gratitude. This is how you bring more good into your life. It's not rocket science.

My point is that when you settle into sulking / stewing in your own juices and allow that mindset to continue, you run the risk of allowing that mindset to eventually engulf you. Don't be surprised then, when your life turns into a This Mortal Coil track. If you want to be happier, deviate from your own norm.

[the breaks]

I made no statement about what my faith is so I dont know how you could come to that conclusion, you have no idea what my beliefs are.......

I actually thought I did know what your beliefs are.

You've mentioned going to church more than once, you capitalize God and Jesus and I recall you posting things like "praise God", scriptures etc.

Overall, I don't think you've exactly been keeping your faith a secret on this forum.

As for the suicide discussion, I got nothin'.

[eleven crows]

I made no statement about what my faith is so I dont know how you could come to that conclusion, you have no idea what my beliefs are.......
but the greater issue is, even if it is a faith based response what would be so wrong with that?
If as you say, a man has a right to kill himself (of which i disagree) then shouldnt a man have a right to decide upon what he is going to base his ethics?

a discussion about what is and isn't sin is a completely different matter that is unrelated to someone committing suicide. What we are fundamentally discussing is the unfortunate issue of suicide..............

I was referring to this:

no one has a right to die because we are not the source of our origins, we did not give life to ourselves.....

Seems fairly religious to me. Not that I mind what someone's beliefs are; as long, of course, as these beliefs do not impact others. Said beliefs certainly impact the decision... But no one else should have a say; this is the core of my arguement.

I apologise if this assumption offended you. I was certain you had previously mentioned your Christian faith quite a few times in other threads.

Well, this has probably gone on too long. Let's just agree to disagree on the subject.

[Rei]

but the greater issue is, even if it is a faith based response what would be so wrong with that?

Cos faith by definition is belief in something for which there is no proof, which really doesn't make a good base for an argument.

[interest1]

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Yes, back to WTFucking, before I'm mistaken for Tony Robbins . . .

Popped into Target the other day to grab a few things for my flight,
and there's this right when you walk in:





Marc Jacobs, now at Tar-zhay?

Not Marc by Marc Jacobs, mind you, but the signature label – holiday edition.
A $70 scarf – at a discount superstore you to go for toilet paper and cheese slices.
Things must be getting desperate in the big world of big box stores.
Fashion's already desperate, of course.

EDIT:.I never got the memo

Explains that bubblegum pink leather Oscar de la Renta dog collar I raised an eyebrow at amongst the sea of rawhide chewies. :/
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[Patroklus]

Do these people own their names, or have they all sold them to someone else? The only way a Target collaboration by a luxury retailer makes business sense to me is if I approach it from the standpoint of someone who holds the label as a simple piece of capital rather than as the label itself; that is, if I have the option to dump it when it stops generating (banker) dollars for me.

[darkbydesign]

Yeah, but with supply/demand, in the $69.99-$499.99 range and a mass market like Target, they might actually make more cash from these "pieces" than off their mainline. I don't know the fashion industry from a business standpoint, but let's face it, there are big designers doing this with H&M and Target all the time, and I assume by number alone that this must mean they're making a killing of mass produced pieces at these low end stores that then supports their high end, less mainstream work. That H&M crap sells out in minutes a lot of times, despite the relative difference in quality between those pieces and the mainline ones. Further, the high end designers can drop all the items that didn't sell in mainline into Target and people will treat them like they are golden and save up (or put themselves in debt on their credit card) to buy them. It makes good business sense to me, although not so much on the marketing/image side;however all it takes is 51% of your profit coming from the mainstream, and one would think from a business stand point, then the suits in charge might care more about $$$$ generated than image of the house. For Target it's win-win too since it's sorta like merging Target with TJ Maxx or something like that, opening up additional markets for capital and also making their other products look super cheap in comparison, likely driving up sales there too with pragmatists.

****under my breath************************
Glad to see Marc Jacobs clothing where it belongs.....
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[Patroklus]

Look, sometimes I like to Google pictures of really fast motorcycles and I'm a little curious about the taste of fine caviar but I just couldn't bring myself to prostitution, literal or figurative, just to afford that shit.

I guess I'll never make it in the fashion industry.

I might do porn though. Softcore only. I wonder if Rick would shoot me for his next lookbook. I have these stretchmarks that match his blistered leather perfectly.

[zamb]

I actually thought I did know what your beliefs are.

You've mentioned going to church more than once, you capitalize God and Jesus and I recall you posting things like "praise God", scriptures etc.

Overall, I don't think you've exactly been keeping your faith a secret on this forum.

As for the suicide discussion, I got nothin'.

no you dont know what my beliefs are,
you can assume to know because you have the knowledge of me professing to be a Christian, but christianity covers a wide spectrum of beliefs by different groups of which you don't know which I am, and even within this there is room for individual convictions too......, but thats another story because there was no necessary connection between my beliefs and the original statement that we did not give life to ourselves. whether you are a Christian, Atheist, Buddhist or whatever we can all agree that the origins of mankind is not self generated, and that is what i mean by we did not give life to ourselves, it was not a statement of "belief".

I dont know how we can continue to speak of our beliefs not affecting others, a man is the sum total of all his convictions, and any interaction he has with another human being is shaped and affected by his convictions. this is an inescapable reality.........as to trying to force people to live by your own convictions thats another story altogether

and for the record, no i am not offended, and would be, I don't get rattled over these things

I was referring to this:

no one has a right to die because we are not the source of our origins, we did not give life to ourselves.....

Seems fairly religious to me. Not that I mind what someone's beliefs are; as long, of course, as these beliefs do not impact others. Said beliefs certainly impact the decision... But no one else should have a say; this is the core of my arguement.

I apologise if this assumption offended you. I was certain you had previously mentioned your Christian faith quite a few times in other threads.

Well, this has probably gone on too long. Let's just agree to disagree on the subject.

its all good man, I know matters of religion and such can get testy sometimes, but not with me, so no need to apologize, all i'm simply saying is it wasn't a statement of faith, and if it was, that wouldn't necessarily make it less valid

[zamb]

Cos faith by definition is belief in something for which there is no proof, which really doesn't make a good base for an argument.

this is a statement made by ignorant people of which there are many, both who profess faith and deny it.

All true faith is based on reasonable premises from which the believer must project his hope. if there is no reasonable premise, then there is no basis for faith.

Also, on another note, why do we moderns need proof for anything.....this is why I loved the ancients, because the accepted that life was a mixture of the rational and the irrational, the natural and the supernatural, the reasonable and the absurd. the lived knowing this was a part of all reality. it is only us moderns who lack passion and need to control everything that is always required "proof" for everything, only in the end to be deceived by our senses........