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I thought this is an interesting article. Perhaps some can elaborate, verify, or give countering evidence, for the history of the suit ? Well it was interesting to me, in particular the paragraph I've quoted below. I have 1 suit, a single-butting Raf from spring/summer 2008, and I've never worn it. I don't like the concept of fitting the human form much. I prefer that my outfits, uniforms or otherwise, drape gently over my body, not to hide anything but rather I find the concept quite elegant. Anyway, thought I'd share and get your reactions to the article !
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This ties in most notably with the dandy practice of carrying monocles, spyglasses and opera glasses. The idea of seeing the detail of one's outfit and being able to spy other's outfits. You did not want to turn heads as you walked, being too loud was unfashionable, but having minute attention to detail and presenting a perfected package that could be closely inspected was admired. Of course in order to be able to inspect to such a close detail, you wanted your clothing to appear seamless. Thus you have the close cut that Brummel liked - a way of creating a complete look, with no breaks or separate elements, it all had to overlap and flow into one whole look that encased him, attempting to make him a perfected object. Of course this also has elements of the erotic mode of viewing, especially when the clothing was tailored and designed to reveal the body as well as possible through the fabric. Dandies were reported at the time as having scraped at their coats with pieces of glass, in order to make them as transparent as possible (with holes and what not being a reasonably common occurrence). You wanted to be transparent and godly, a mythic creature in the clouds, so beautiful you could float away at any moment, etc. The obsession with transparency was also revealed in the preoccupation with nude fashion (as swept France after the Revolution) at the time. Paintings of the time usually tend to show women in rather clingy and transparent dresses, and indeed there were reports in France of women catching pneumonia due to the wispy things they insisted on wearing out.
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Oh and an extract from Norah Waugh:
"Whereas the 18th century was characterized by its attention to cut, the 19th century was notable for its concentration on fit...this state of affairs was due to several causes, the main one being the adoption of cloth an a more scientific approach to the whole technique of tailoring...The coat was cut in cloth, a much more pliable material than tightly woven silk, shrinking and stretching by the tailor's iron could mould it and give a more subtle fit, even if the coat was worn buttoned. By the end of the 18th century, English tailors became the leaders of men's fashions because of their long experience of the subtleties of cloth had developed their skill and gave style and elegance to the practical country coats and so made them acceptable for fashionable wear." (cloth=wool)
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Thank for the article - very interesting. I believe the author's use of the Brummel's quote is imprecise - what he said was that if John Bull (which I take is the English term for a commoner, which in contemporary terms would mean a person with a mass market tastes) turned to look at you, you were not well dressed, which is very different from "people." Hurray for elegant elitism, I say.
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